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New Oil Discovery Offshore of Greece, Game Changer?

So now they want to destroy the Mediterranean, the Aegean, and the Ionian Seas by Drilling….a way of helping Greece exit the Euro while immediately giving strength to the Drachma. Lots of angles in this move.

The U.S. Looks To Exploit The Greek Re-Default
August 6, 2012 | 3 comments | includes: EIS, GREK, NBL, RSX, SPY, TUR

A geopolitical drama driven by newly discovered oil and bad debt is unfolding around the eastern Mediterranean, and it may be a game changer for Greece. Preliminary estimates indicate there are 22 billion barrels of oil offshore of Western Greece below the Ionian Sea and some 4 billion barrels of oil below the Northern Aegean Sea, according to Global Research.

Former International Monetary Fund economist and Treasury assistant secretary Charles Collyns was in Athens and Rome the last week of July, along with Treasury Secretary Timmy Geithner, as Greece’s global lenders – the IMF, the European Union and the European Central Bank – prepared for a new audit of Greece to see if its €130 billion bailout had any positive effect (see proposed reforms). The findings, due in late August, will determine whether Greece will receive fresh loans of €31.5 billion by September, according to Yahoo! news.

August 20, Greece faces another rollover of €3.2 billion of its existing debt. The expectation is this will be just one more shuffled deck chair on the Titanic as it borrows from one member the Troika (EFSF) to pay another (ECB). I am not so sure.

The assumption is that this status quo, Nash Equilibrium, mutually assured destruction model will continue indefinitely. But Geithner and his lieutenant Collyns have been actively dialoging with the Greeks. The public message seems to be one of promises to do everything to assist Greece “if necessary” should that country return to the drachma and, by extension, exit the EU, called the Grexit.

A Grexit would offer the U.S. an opportunity to step into the geopolitical breach, and be a player in new oil and minerals discoveries off of Greek and Israeli shores. Turkey has previously stated it would consider it an act of war if Greece drilled further into the Aegean. Clearly, Greece needs backing and support, the kind that the U.S. could provide. Right after Secretary of State Clinton visited Greece to lobby on energy in 2011, the Greek government created a new government agency to run tenders for oil and gas surveys and drilling bids.

To resolve matters with Turkey, there is a proposal by both Clintons’ operative Richard Morningstar to form an oil revenues deal offering Greece 20%, Turkey 20% and the U.S.-backed Noble Energy (NBL) of Houston (the company drilling in Greek and Israeli offshore waters) the lion’s share of 60%.

This has upped the prospect for a geopolitical gambit by the U.S. that has several objectives:

1. To gain influence on Aegean Sea as well the Levantine oil and gas assets, and to establish a Greek Corridor of influence between Cyprus, Israel and Greece. The area off Israel and Cyprus has been the site of new oil and gas discoveries. Cyprus, too, is an insolvent EU basket case. This article from Oil Price.com discusses the “pipeline battle” between Russian and U.S. interests.

With recent confirmation of oil in the Greek Aegean and off Israel, the U.S. has stepped up its game. The strategy is to offer Greece and Cyprus carrots. After all, it’s the European Troika that is the hardball creditor, not the U.S. In fact, by offering Greece “almost unqualified support in the event of a return to the drachma,” the U.S. is betting on the strong likelihood of Greece becoming formally insolvent before any more bailout monies are available from Berlin-am-Brussels.

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This move really bothers me on many levels, but first and foremost is the drilling for oil and possibly ruining the seas mentioned above. We saw what happened in the Gulf. Plus the geopolitical finances that would occur. Yes it would help Greece and possibly Italy’s financial problems along with helping Israel and Turkey, but at what cost? And what other diplomatic problems would happen?

Image credit [top]: Boom showing signs of oil at Breton Island NWR By USFWS/Greg Thompson

749 Comments

  • Crank Bait August 17, 2012 12:42 pm

    @toniD: The most recent NPR reporting has gone with “punk rockers” and “punk rock band” as stand-in pronouns for Pussy Riot. The reporter said Pussy Riot at least once so as to establish a proper noun.

    Lo, these many days later, the press is beginning to catch on to the giggles they have been providing to the rest of us. Apparently they noticed the thousand-or-so comedians who have been joking about button-down folks forced to say Pussy Riot on the air.

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  • Crank Bait August 17, 2012 1:49 pm

    Two, four, six, eight,
    Who do we appreciate?
    Yekaterina Samutsevich, Maria Alyokhina, and Nadezhda Tolokonnikova!
    Yekaterina Samutsevich, Maria Alyokhina, and Nadezhda Tolokonnikova!
    Yekaterina Samutsevich, Maria Alyokhina, and Nadezhda Tolokonnikova!

    Nope. It works better with Pussy Riot.

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  • toniD August 17, 2012 1:49 pm

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  • toniD August 17, 2012 2:02 pm

    Max Blumenthal ‏@MaxBlumenthal

    Islamophobic #morans should be required to complete 4th grade before vandalizing cemeteries http://www.cairchicago.org/2012/08/16/photos-hate-graffiti-at-muslim-cemetery-in-evergreen-park/

    [This is despicable! And a lot of the blame goes to JoeWalsh for opening his big mouth!]

    Hate Graffiti at Muslim Cemetery in Evergreen Park

    On August 16, 2012, a Palestinian American man went to pay respects to his deceased father at Evergreen Cemetery and was horrified to see anti-Muslim hate graffiti on a number of Muslim graves. Evergreen Cemetery is home to at least 500 Muslim graves. Cemetery officials and the police have been notified. The cemetery is located at 3401 West 87th Street, Evergreen Park, IL 60805.

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  • toniD August 17, 2012 2:07 pm

    WILLARD WONKA

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  • Crank Bait August 17, 2012 2:09 pm

    toniD,

    A few days ago, when McCaskill’s name came up, I told two lady friends that McCaskill had produced pro-Akin advertising prior to the primary. They said (paraphrasing), “WTF?”

    They still seemed to think I was making it up after I explained McCaskill’s choose your own fruitbat opponent strategy.

    …but both ladies have plenty of time to learn what Akin is all about and I suspect that they will recall our conversation.

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  • toniD August 17, 2012 2:26 pm

    Blue Hussein DuPage ‏@BlueDuPage

    Republican Senator Calls Romney a “Stupid Back Stabber” http://bit.ly/S4JpIM #EndorseMitt #RomneyRyan2012 #p2 #tcot #Iowa

    Chuck Grassly’s really pissed at Romney. Read the article!]

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    Keeping Verizon Wireless from Being Too Cozy with Cable: http://ow.ly/d2ZN0 by @LATimeslazarus

    [snippet]

    The Department of Justice says Verizon can go ahead with its $3.6-billion purchase of wireless spectrum from the cable industry, but not without some tweaks to help protect consumers from telecom behemoths becoming too cozy.

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    I’m not a told-you-so kind of guy, but this is exactly what I warned of in a column last month questioning how this deal worked in consumers’ best interest, not to mention how downplaying the company’s own services was good for Verizon shareholders.

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  • toniD August 17, 2012 2:36 pm

    @Crank Bait: He’s really, really way out there. You were right!

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  • toniD August 17, 2012 2:40 pm

    Here’s Pussy Riot:

    Translation:

    Chorus)

    St. Maria, Virgin, Drive away Putin
    Drive away! Drive away Putin!
    (end chorus)

    Black robe, golden epaulettes
    All parishioners are crawling and bowing
    The ghost of freedom is in heaven
    Gay pride sent to Siberia in chains

    The head of the KGB is their chief saint
    Leads protesters to prison under escort
    In order not to offend the Holy
    Women have to give birth and to love

    Holy shit, shit, Lord’s shit!
    Holy shit, shit, Lord’s shit!

    (Chorus)
    St. Maria, Virgin, become a feminist
    Become a feminist, Become a feminist
    (end chorus)

    Church praises the rotten dictators
    The cross-bearer procession of black limousines
    In school you are going to meet with a teacher-preacher
    Go to class – bring him money!

    Patriarch Gundyaev believes in Putin
    Bitch, you better believed in God
    Belt of the Virgin is no substitute for mass-meetings
    In protest of our Ever-Virgin Mary!

    (Chorus)
    St. Maria, Virgin, Drive away Putin
    Drive away! Drive away Putin!
    (end chorus)

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  • Crank Bait August 17, 2012 3:02 pm

    The blog post linked below gives a rundown of Akin in Missouri (yes, funny you should ask, it is an intentional pun). Even if you don’t read the post, the title tells most of what you need to know.
    ———-
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/10/1118611/-MO-Sen-Todd-Akin-Makes-Santorum-look-like-a-hippie

    MO-Sen: Todd Akin Makes Santorum look like a hippie.

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  • toniD August 17, 2012 3:33 pm

    Christopher Hayes ‏@chrislhayes

    Rand on gov scholarships:”Those who advocate public scholarships, have no right to them; those who oppose them have.” Ryan really is Randian

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    The whole essay is a delight: http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/government_grants_and_scholarships.html

    Christopher Hayes ‏@chrislhayes

    “The recipient of a public $ is morally justified only so long as he regards it as restitution and opposes all forms of welfare statism. ”

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    Shorter Ayn Rand: Hate the game not the player.

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    Kansas County Clerk Creates Innovative Program To Mitigate Harm From Voter ID

    Douglas County (KS) clerk Jamie Shew has developed a creative new initiative to help his constituents comply with the state’s new voter ID law. As I detail in Salon, Shew and his office have been driving to nursing homes and disability groups in the county where many individuals are unable to get to the DMV and obtain the photo ID needed to vote. Shew snaps a picture with his digital camera, takes down their information, and prints their ID card back in his office, usually getting it to the voter the next day. His program is the first of its kind in Kansas, but “it could soon serve as a model for the rest of the state” and the nation.

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    Stephanie Cutter destroy’s Romney’s ridiculous white board. “That’s a flat out lie” http://youtu.be/0QQxGEQm6Qo

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    The America Paul Ryan Forgot: A Vision of Freedom, by Way of Free Government, by Way of the Morrill Act http://ow.ly/d2I3q #Commonwealth

    [Love that Charlie!]

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    “I tried to warn them”: Ex-Homeland Security analyst reveals govt is STILL ignoring right-wing threats, despite attacks http://www.salon.com/2012/08/17/daryl_johnson_i_tried_to_warn_them/

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  • toniD August 17, 2012 3:43 pm

    @Crank Bait: Did you vote in their poll?

    I did!

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  • toniD August 17, 2012 3:47 pm

    Hah! I had to look twice….

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  • Crank Bait August 17, 2012 3:57 pm

    @toniD: I voted for making Teabangelism pins which, I guessed, would be voting with the plurality. It was.

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  • toniD August 17, 2012 4:16 pm

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    Illinois House expels Rep. Derrick Smith over bribery charge http://trib.in/MCBjVK

    [ Wish we could do this in the Federal House!]

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    New Pentagon report details four-star general’s lavish travel, spending abuses: http://apne.ws/QJPe98 -SC

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    5 ways privatization is ruining America http://www.salon.com/2012/08/17/5_ways_privatization_is_ruining_america/

    [Good article]

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  • toniD August 17, 2012 4:31 pm

    Bloomberg News ‏@BloombergNews

    BREAKING: Dow average climbs above highest closing level since 2007

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    Paul Ryan Exposes Elite Agenda, “STFU!” Says Banker – VIDEO: http://bit.ly/PjIoKW #p2 #tcot #romneyryan2012

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  • mire August 17, 2012 5:36 pm

    @toniD: may be a good cause toni but sorry, that sound (can’t call it music) is atrocious – really not good

    i like their name though

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  • Crank Bait August 17, 2012 5:41 pm

    http://healthland.time.com/2012/08/17/my-brain-made-me-do-it-psychopaths-and-free-will/?xid=gonewsedit&google_editors_picks=true

    My Brain Made Me Do It: Psychopaths and Free Will

    Why judges hand down shorter sentences to convicted psychopaths when their behavior is blamed on the brain

    …Schwartz called the new study “terrific,” noting in particular that hearing evidence of biological causes of behavior had a larger impact on how mitigating the judges considered the convict’s psychopathy than on the actual sentences they handed down. Among the mitigating factors that judges cited after hearing the neurobiological evidence was the idea that mental illness made the perpetrator less responsible for his behavior.

    As one judge in the study explained: “The evidence that psychopaths do not have the necessary neural connections to feel empathy is significant. It makes possible an argument that psychopaths are, in a sense, morally disabled, just as other people are physically disabled.”

    Consequently, as Schwartz says, “If you sentence to punish, it will reduce sentencing. But if you sentence to protect society, it may well increase sentencing, by implying that the perpetrator is incorrigible.”…
    —————————————————
    It’s a study of the perceptions of the nature/nurture influences on behavior. It’s a study of the judgement applied to a person who has some or all of the tools to knowingly and willingly do wrong versus having fewer of the tools to knowingly and willingly do wrong.

    I think about this a lot. Probably too much. In a weird way, it is an extension of the Jesuit’s instruction that the measure of sin is intent. One person’s mortal sin is another person’s venial sin…or not a sin at all. But the study goes beyond guilt. It exposes another quandary: Incarceration as punishment or incarceration to protect society?

    It’s as if some of us have a coin to flip: Do wrong or do right. We have a 50/50 chance. Others have a polyhedron: Most of the faces say wrong while a few of the faces say right. The odds are very different.

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  • Crank Bait August 17, 2012 5:48 pm

    mire August 17, 2012 5:36 pm

    @toniD: may be a good cause toni but sorry, that sound (can’t call it music) is atrocious – really not good
    —————-
    Probably not an Apparat Chicks fan, either?

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  • toniD August 17, 2012 5:50 pm

    Bloomberg News ‏@BloombergNews

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    joseph dana ‏@ibnezra

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    In an op-ed Tom Morello writes “Paul Ryan is the embodiment of the machine our music rages against”: http://bitly.com/NLQ48h

    [snippet]

    Last week, Mitt Romney picked Paul Ryan, the Republican architect of Congress’s radical right-wing budget plan, as his running mate. Ryan has previously cited Rage Against the Machine as one of his favorite bands. Rage guitarist Tom Morello responds in this exclusive op-ed.

    Paul Ryan’s love of Rage Against the Machine is amusing, because he is the embodiment of the machine that our music has been raging against for two decades. Charles Manson loved the Beatles but didn’t understand them. Governor Chris Christie loves Bruce Springsteen but doesn’t understand him. And Paul Ryan is clueless about his favorite band, Rage Against the Machine.

    Ryan claims that he likes Rage’s sound, but not the lyrics. Well, I don’t care for Paul Ryan’s sound or his lyrics. He can like whatever bands he wants, but his guiding vision of shifting revenue more radically to the one percent is antithetical to the message of Rage.

    I wonder what Ryan’s favorite Rage song is? Is it the one where we condemn the genocide of Native Americans? The one lambasting American imperialism? Our cover of “Fuck the Police”? Or is it the one where we call on the people to seize the means of production? So many excellent choices to jam out to at Young Republican meetings!

    Don’t mistake me, I clearly see that Ryan has a whole lotta “rage” in him: A rage against women, a rage against immigrants, a rage against workers, a rage against gays, a rage against the poor, a rage against the environment. Basically the only thing he’s not raging against is the privileged elite he’s groveling in front of for campaign contributions.

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  • toniD August 17, 2012 5:53 pm

    @mire: It’s not our type of music Mire. I don’t care for it either but I don’t like what Putin and Co are doing to these girls. The young people seem to like their music. My parents couldn’t stand the Beattles and the Rolling Stones.

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  • toniD August 17, 2012 5:58 pm

    @Crank Bait: It is an interesting study. I wonder how many judges are psychopaths? I think there are a few on the Supreme court! There has to be judges that are themselves psychopaths or sociopaths.

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  • toniD August 17, 2012 6:02 pm

    The Young Turks ‏@TheYoungTurks

    Atheists Taxed For Not Going To Church? (Oh My God!) http://youtu.be/IaV2ZrGXq8g ft @jimmy_dore & @FrankConniff

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  • dan August 17, 2012 6:04 pm

    happy birthday mire

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  • mire August 17, 2012 6:05 pm

    romney reminds me of berlusconi. there are a lot of parallels there, a crook with a shady past, dirty ties to mafia in berlusconi case, to death squads cia with romney; both of them touting their cachet of savvy entrepreneurs and business people, self-made men (ah that’s a bitter laugh); seeking power for the love of country, to save it, sacrificing themselves for this higher duty; ultra rich and not saying how they made their riches other than again repeating like a mantra that they are such good business men – lots of media backing up their lies

    both of them facing some kind of reckoning for their crimes unless they gain power and they can then use their power to legalize their illegalities

    yes i know that berlusconi is known for other stuff – at least in the international press – but if you look at the politics it is very similar

    well ok, romney doesn’t have the populist streak – berlusconi had to have that to seduce the italian dumbards – so that’s typically italian, that he would appeal to the macho aspect as well; yes of course romney is different in that; romney is not as smart as berlusconi; with the rr combination with ryan – the similiraties increase; ryan supposed to have the charm that berlusconi has (gaaag) and romney has not, so he fills that void…. i know i know…. but remember that the lemmings need charisma, and yes i know ryan doesn’t have it either but i can see how the morans can potentially find some charm there…

    slick sleezy and shady ultra wealthy tax dodgers – schemers and crooks

    at least on that we could agree there are some similarities

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  • toniD August 17, 2012 6:05 pm

    Chris Hayes is on with The Rev. Al right now. Also Krystal Ball.

    Bill Maher ‏@billmaher

    Show day! On the air tonight, finally! Driving to the studio – feels wierd after 6 wks vaca…but I like it

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  • mire August 17, 2012 6:06 pm

    @dan: thank you Dan – it’s been a pretty good day so far. Going to dinner out tonight

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  • Crank Bait August 17, 2012 6:08 pm

    mire: “You kids stay off my iPod!”

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  • toniD August 17, 2012 6:15 pm

    I’ll put up an open thread. A true open thread for Up tomorrow. I’ll do it later tonight.

    Then I’ll work on a topper. Have a few ideas floating around in my head but need to research.

    This flare I’m in has held me back a bit.

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  • Crank Bait August 17, 2012 6:22 pm

    @mire: Nicely written. I don’t know how accurate are the parallels between Berlusconi and whomever but it doesn’t matter; I’m a sucker for a well-written piece sprinkled with parenthetic humor.

    Incidentally, I think gaaag might be the sound a cat makes while coughing up a hairball.

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  • dan August 17, 2012 6:22 pm

    @toniD: the cast for tonight looks like a bust

    peter byck, mark cuban, reihan Salam, alex wagner, chelsea handler

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  • toniD August 17, 2012 6:27 pm

    @dan: Mark Cuban? Isn’t he the one that would not let Melissa talk on her own show?
    Reihan Salam? Yech! Alex Wagner is good, she may give Cuban a bit of sass. The other two I’m not familiar with. Need to google them.

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  • toniD August 17, 2012 6:30 pm

    Peter Byck is a film director from Louisville, Kentucky. His most recent and substantial work is the documentary Carbon Nation, narrated by Bill Kurtis.

    Chelsea Joy Handler (born February 25, 1975) is an American stand-up comedian, actress, best-selling author, and producer.

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  • toniD August 17, 2012 6:45 pm

    Crooks and Liars ‏@crooksandliars

    New At C&L: Romney and Ryan Both Supported Privatization of Social Security http://gocl.me/Pul4I4

    Crank, Akin was on Fox News….

    Greg Sargent ‏@ThePlumLineGS

    Todd Akin: Time to reevaluate federal civil rights and voting rights laws: http://fox2now.com/2012/08/17/todd-akin-federal-voting-right-laws-outdated/

    [snippet]

    ST. LOUIS, MO (KTVI)– Republican Congressman Todd Akin said Friday afternoon he thinks it’s time for a second look at federal “civil rights and voting rights” laws.

    The republican U.S. senate candidate told FOX 2’s Charles Jaco states not the federal government should set voter rules.

    Congressman Akin of course is trying to unseat democratic Senator Claire McCaskill. And Akin has always said the federal government’s role should be much smaller than it is.

    But Akin says that federal voting rights laws may need to be looked at, changed or overturned is something new. Those laws were passed in 1964, 1965 and 1968. The voting rights act of 1965 prevented mostly southern states from using things like literacy tests to keep African-Americans from voting. The civil rights act of 1964 outlawed similar voting restrictions.

    [Now Akin wants to do away with Civil Rights? Way over the top!]

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  • toniD August 17, 2012 6:59 pm

    The Hill ‏@hillballotbox

    Carmona ahead of Flake in funds for first time in cycle http://bit.ly/OtpFbi

    [I hope Carmona wins over Jeff Flake in AZ! Flake is a flake and a tea bagger! They're running for John Kyl's Senate seat.]

    TYT on Current TV ‏@TYTonCurrent

    Tonight at 7e/4p, @MichaelShure, @AnaKasparian, @JayarJackson & @DCaballero on #PussyRiot, @TMorello vs @PaulRyanVP & @SSPU vs @MittRomney.

    TYT on Current TV ‏@TYTonCurrent

    Tonight at 7e/4p, #EpicGuestHost @MichaelShure on #LyinRyan & calling #BullMitt. Joe Williams (@JDub321) joins to discuss.

    GottaLaff ‏@GottaLaff

    RT @chrisgeidner: BREAKING: GOP Ohio Secr of State suspends Montgomery Cty Dem board of elections members, sets removal hearing for Aug. 20.

    Mediaite ‏@mediaite

    WATCH: Romney Supporter Spat On By Elderly Protester At Campaign, Fight Breaks Out (VIDEO) http://mediaite.com/a/lgrwm

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  • toniD August 17, 2012 7:22 pm

    800-year-old medieval village in Tuscany goes up for sale on eBay

    Tuscany: The vacation destination is almost as legendary as it is exclusive. But if you’re interested in vacationing in true Italian style, you don’t have to settle for a tiny Tuscan villa — if you’re rich, you can buy a whole 800-year-old village on eBay for 2.5 million euro ($3.1 million).

    There is a catch though: Time has taken its toll on the medieval hamlet since it was abandoned 50 years ago. The existing buildings are mostly in ruin, needing major restoration work. And you can’t buy these historical homes individually: You either buy them in a lot, or you don’t buy them at all.

    Why the sale? Simply put: austerity. The Italian government is desperately trying to stem the rise of its trillion-dollar-plus public debt by selling off unneeded properties.

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  • Crank Bait August 17, 2012 8:11 pm

    toniD August 17, 2012 6:45 pm
    …[Now Akin wants to do away with Civil Rights? Way over the top!]
    ———-
    You recently wrote that Missouri might be under the throes of a contagion wafting from its bordering states. You even included southern Illinois (as distinguished from the rest of Illinois) but you should have included Tennessee and Kentucky.

    I don’t have much experience with eastern Missouri. I’ve been to St. Louis and the surrounding metro burbs many times for short visits. The same is true for Hannibal to the north and Farmington to the south and a few other forgettable towns but I can’t say I really know the area and the people. The people I have known over the years (and met in various places) who grew up in eastern Missouri were okay but that might be because I avoided the people who irked me.

    I subscribe to the old saying: Kansas City is the easternmost western city and St. Louis is the westernmost eastern city. It might be bullshit at this late date but the residents (former and otherwise) I have known might as well have grown up on different planets. Even the dialects are different.

    That said, Todd (I can’t see that name without thinking of Bill Murray and Gilda Radner) Akin was born in New York City. He matriculated in a hoity-toity progressive prep school near St. Louis, went to Massachusetts for a degree, then returned to St. Louis to become a master bible diviner.

    Perhaps the Northeast deserves some of the blame, not to mention southern Illinois nearby St. Louis. Maybe Todd was destined to be a self-righteous boil on any ass he called home?

    Whatever the case, I hope his handlers and supporters keep pumping his ego. It’s easier to give him plenty of rope than to make McCaskill do the dirty work.

    Speaking of McCaskill, I suspect that a progressive is hiding beneath her pandering-to-good-ol’-boys hat. If so, her progressive self will never see the light of day. Missouri is split like much of the country—urban Left and rural Right. She needs to pander to keep her seat.

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  • dan August 17, 2012 8:39 pm

    ifc on cable is showing from dusk to dawn tonight.

    its probably just me, but i really enjoy a good vampire movie that features clooney, tarrantino, and hayek

    back to the t***ty twister.

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  • toniD August 17, 2012 8:40 pm

    Citizens for Ethics ‏@CREWcrew

    The DOJ dropped the ball on its investigation of @RepJerryLewis, but we didn’t let them sweep it under the rug. http://bit.ly/Rdftel

    Steve Marmel ‏@Marmel

    This election boils down to someone with humble beginnings being painted as an elitist, vs an actual elitist pretending to be humble.

    LOLPAC Left Out Loud ‏@lolpacorg

    Please RT #FollowJim @Graves4Congress. He’s the one who will send Bachmann back to the bat cave in November!

    The Raw Story ‏@RawStory

    Clinic says ultrasound law, waiting period for abortions force it to reduce other services. http://goo.gl/a8IUV

    Dark spud ‏@Darthtater36

    Former Bain Capital managing director said of Romney’s tenure: “We had a scheme where the rich got richer.” http://thinkprogress.org/romney-facts/#fact-3

    LOLPAC Left Out Loud ‏@lolpacorg

    I know there are conservatives that watch #edshow too, can’t help but wonder what they really think when they see all the lies debunked.

    Crooks and Liars ‏@crooksandliars

    New At C&L: Chris Matthews: Ryan fetal laws ‘radical social engineering’ http://gocl.me/Puw9cb

    Demetri Kofinas ‏@CoveringDelta

    CNN’s “keeping them honest” segment should just be called “I just have a little harmless bitching to do”

    Christopher Hayes ‏@chrislhayes

    So thrilled to have full wknd of @upwithchris ahead of us. Lots to talk about: Rand et Ryan, the bailout & its discontents, & Assange’s fate

    Steve Weinstein ‏@steveweinstein

    Ohio Elections Chief Suspends Democrats From County Board http://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidner/ohio-secretary-of-states-threatens-to-remove-democ via @buzzfeed

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  • Crank Bait August 17, 2012 8:40 pm

    Paul Ryan paid a higher federal tax rate than Romney

    USA TODAY – ‎33 minutes ago‎

    WASHINGTON – When it comes to their federal taxes in the last two years, Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney has paid a lower federal tax rate than his running mate, congressman Paul Ryan…
    ——————–
    I haven’t read the article, if ink on a USA Today page can be called an article. I don’t have to. Besides, I’m too busy laughing.

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  • toniD August 17, 2012 8:46 pm

    Mediaite ‏@mediaite

    MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell Confronts Wasserman-Schultz Over Obama’s Lack Of ‘Accessibility’ (VIDEO) http://mediaite.com/a/egzvf

    [The WH and known journalist are pissed because Obama is going to local news and lessor known news shows.]

    Greg Sargent ‏@ThePlumLineGS

    Wow. Romney advisers have come right out and confirmed that they’re running a “just trust me” campaign: http://wapo.st/NuRxl7

    Ryan J. Davis ‏@RyanNewYork

    Pat Robertson says don’t adopt disadvantaged kids, they could grow up weird. http://bit.ly/StSE11 As long as they aren’t monsters like Pat.

    Bill Maher ‏@billmaher

    I see #MittRomney and #PaulRyan have taken to calling themselves America’s Comeback Team. Cuz #PussyRiot was taken.

    60th Street ‏@60th_Street

    The SEAL Swift Boaters are Birthers?!? Hoocoodanode! http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/08/17/leader-of-anti-obama-navy-seal-group-is-birther/

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  • toniD August 17, 2012 8:50 pm

    Chris Hays and Krystal Ball on with Rev Al tonight:

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  • Crank Bait August 17, 2012 9:32 pm

    toniD August 17, 2012 8:46 pm
    Ryan J. Davis ‏@RyanNewYork

    Pat Robertson says don’t adopt disadvantaged kids, they could grow up weird. http://bit.ly/StSE11
    —————-
    Near the end of the article, ol’ Pat says this: “OK, let’s get to the next question. I’m in trouble.”

    That’s Patspeak at Virginia Control for “Abort! Abort! Abort!”

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  • Crank Bait August 17, 2012 9:34 pm

    US urges review of Pussy Riot sentences
    Independent Online – ‎3 hours ago‎
    ————–
    Suggests any subject, verb and object without Pussy in it.

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  • toniD August 17, 2012 9:39 pm

    Josh Marshall ‏@joshtpm

    Very important story: key vote suppression guru helped Florida govs office with Voter Purge media push http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/hans_von_spakovsky_helped_rick_scotts_office_with.php via @TPM

    Chicago Tribune ‏@chicagotribune

    GOP vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan releases tax returns http://trib.in/Q94Kul

    RonSupportsYou ‏@RonSupportsYou

    Claim: “Mr. President you didn’t kill Bin Laden, America did.” America didn’t protect Bin Laden for 8 years, Bush did. Obama got rid of him.

    Jon Tester ‏@jontester

    Congressman Rehberg believes corporations & money–not Montanans–should decide our elections: http://ow.ly/d2NTU #MTSen

    Gaius Publius ‏@Gaius_Publius

    #BachmannOpponent MT @downwithtyranny: definitely NOT Blue Dog. We discussed that very specifically. A decent guy with good policy positions

    Steve Weinstein ‏@steveweinstein

    Soledad O’Brien might single-handedly save #CNN from having no more viewers left.

    Crooks and Liars ‏@crooksandliars

    Crossposted At C&L: Soledad O’Brien Schools Republican Rep. Claiming Ryan Medicare Plan ‘Not Vouchers’ http://gocl.me/S5VttB

    SeniorInfo4U ‏@SeniorInfo4u

    Paul Ryan heckled in #virginia over lies. Ryan said he never begged for #obama stimulus funds. But he did. http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/08/17/709531/paul-ryan-heckled-at-town-hall-why-did-you-lie-about-accepting-stimulus-funds/ #romneyryan

    [I hope he gets heckled in Florida in front of his Mother!]

    Jason Leopold ‏@JasonLeopold

    U.S. to rework terms of Fannie, Freddie bailout : http://wapo.st/NuyCHj

    Jason Leopold ‏@JasonLeopold

    In Israel, speculation rises of pending attack on Iran : http://wapo.st/Nv63to

    Ari Berman ‏@AriBerman

    Top 1 % pay average of 23 % in taxes. Ryan and Romney paid less (and, in the case of Romney, likely far less)

    ThinkProgress ‏@thinkprogress

    REPORT: Mitt Romney may have breached ethics laws through company linked to Paul Ryan’s brother http://thkpr.gs/Sxf2H2 #icymi

    Mediaite ‏@mediaite

    Lack Of Calls From The Right For Touré To Be Fired A Testament To Principled Support For Free Speech http://mediaite.com/a/rfruo (COLUMN)

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  • toniD August 17, 2012 10:10 pm

    Open Thread til I can put up a new topper:

    http://www.proligarchy.com/?p=2503

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